someone take this one for me please

Submitted by soulismissing on Fri, 2008-07-18 20:38.

Question:

ok , as i have a lot going on in school and have no time to discuss this with this guy will someone read what this guy sent me and explain the reality of the situation for him ....as i have no time ... 1. Causation. God provides the best explanation for the existence of the universe and all that's in it. (The alternative theory is that "nothing" exploded and resulted in everything that we see.) 2. Order. God provides the best explanation for abstract notions such as numbers, mathematical formulae, chemical-based processes, and natural laws. (The alternative theory is that the chaotic first elements ordered themselves into complex information systems.) 3. Design. God provides the best explanation for the absolute complexity inherent in cosmological, stellar, planetary, chemical and biological systems. (The alternative theory is that random chance engineered apparent design.) 4. Encoded Instructions. God provides the best explanation for the digital DNA code contained in and controlling the functions of all life on earth. (The alternative theory is that complex code, such as binary code running computers, can pop into existence without any kind of programming, testing and debugging process.) 5. Irreducible Complexity. God provides the best explanation for fully functioning biological organisms, systems, and subsystems that could not come about through gradual evolutionary process without totally ceasing to exist at lower, evolutionary levels. (The alternative theory is that biological systems took huge, unseen leaps from simple to complex without any guided process or forward-looking instructions.) 6. Duality. God provides the best explanation for the separate human functions of brain and conscience (matter and mind). (The alternative theory is monism -- only matter exists and the human brain only appears to have a separate subconscious ability.) 7. Morality. God provides the best explanation for the existence of love, emotion, altruism, and inherent moral/ethical values throughout the world. (The alternative theory is that unguided materialistic processes evolve higher human consciousness.)

Atheist Answer

Search this site for the "Great Big Arguments" series, where I've covered most of these points at length. I do see two I haven't covered on this site, so I'll take care of them now.

5. Irreducible Complexity: it would indirectly support the existence of a god, if there were any irreducible complexity about.

If an example of this were actually found, it would be very good evidence against evolution as we know it and possibly circumstantial evidence for a designer. However, nothing in nature has been confirmed as irreducibly complex. All the major examples put forward (the eye, the wing, the immune system, the bacterial flagellum, etc.) have been debunked by the presentation of very likely processes by which they evolved. In most cases these explanations were around long before the claim of irreducible complexity, and were simply ignored until they dragged them all out for the Dover trial.

6. Duality: do a person's subconscious faculties actually appear to be separate from the brain? Just what's wrong with all conscious and subconscious thinking being generated by and within the brain? What evidence is there of extra-neural thought?

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Healyhatman Says:
Sun, 2008-07-20 19:44

All the answers you're looking for are on this site: Look for things like "The Ontological Argument" or "Argument From Design". The "Irreducible Complexity" argument has been shown to be false many (many) times though, don't know if it has been covered here yet.

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soulismissing Says:
Mon, 2008-07-28 15:03

i explained that most of what he said was false in general , and dude went away ... thanks all.

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